Hal Willner’s Vanishing, Weird New York – New York Times

“People forget how crazy the city was,” he said. “But also, it was still an era where most people that you’d meet — what’s the line? The people who didn’t fit in anywhere else would move here.”

To engage with Mr. Willner at 61 is to enter a world where freak shows and Soupy Sales are still a salient presence. For nearly four decades, he has worked to consolidate the margins of American culture into his own idiosyncratic mainstream.

His first big idea, at age 24, was to gather a bunch of jazz musicians to reimagine the music from Federico Fellini’s films. It was a screwy idea. It was 1980, and no one was buying jazz records or soundtracks by Nino Rota, Fellini’s composer. Mr. Willner was driving a cab at the time, starting his shift at 5 a.m. at the Paradise Garage or other clubs. The idea did not seem screwy to him. It was the music he heard in his head.

He found money somewhere, and willing participants: Debbie Harry and Chris Stein from Blondie; a very young Wynton Marsalis and youngish Henry Threadgill, among others. Then he went to Rome to ask Fellini for the rights.

“I was speechless when I went to Fellini’s door,” Mr. Willner said. “It was like meeting Dickens. I noticed that he had all these Laurel and Hardy books. So I mentioned it, and he said, ‘Yes, what else is there?’ We were doing Laurel and Hardy with each other.

“He said, ‘We go to lunch now.’ And he takes these two actresses who were in ‘City of Women,’ voluptuous, and he orchestrated the whole lunch, and then drove me around Rome. And dropped me off in the middle of somewhere: ‘I leave you to your destiny.’”

That first album, “Amarcord Nino Rota,” gave Mr. Willner a taste of what was possible, especially if he did not draw borders between types of music or musicians — between jazz and rock, between punk and mainstream. He could get Todd Rundgren and Dr. John to play the music of Thelonious Monk; he could get Sinead O’Connor or the Replacements to play songs from Disney cartoons. If he combined the right musicians in unfamiliar pairings, the results might be something not heard before, even in the minds of the players.

“He gets musicians together who wouldn’t get together,” said Terry Adams of the band NRBQ, one of Mr. Willner’s regulars. “And it always works.”

The music led to spoken-word albums with Allen Ginsberg, which in turn led to Gregory Corso and Mr. Burroughs.

“Allen said, ‘If you want to get along with Bill, take everything that he takes, drink everything that he drinks,’” Mr. Willner said. “And we end up with our arms around each other singing Marlene Dietrich songs. He sang ‘Falling in Love Again,’ one of my favorite things.”

“It’s not any kind of radical thinking,” he said of his methods. “That’s what we had growing up. Bill Graham would have Led Zeppelin preceded by the Bonzo Dog Band and Rahsaan Roland Kirk on the same show. How many people saw Patti LaBelle opening for Richard Pryor? So it’s just continuing a philosophy from that point of view. But people don’t do that anymore.”


Mr. Willner in Allen Ginsberg’s apartment in Manhattan in 1987. Credit Brian Graham

On a Saturday evening in mid-August, Mr. Willner’s methodology was playing out at a Brooklyn recording studio, where he was working on a tribute album to the 1970s glam rock band T. Rex. The cast for the session included a small chamber ensemble and Marc Almond of the British new wave duo Soft Cell, best known for their 1981 hit “Tainted Love.” The song was “Teenage Dream,” with an arrangement by J.G. Thirlwell, who is best known under his string of 1980s identities, most of which included the word Foetus.

Mr. Almond arrived at the studio with no idea what kind of music Mr. Thirlwell had prepared. Maybe it would be heavy metal or screeching industrial noise. Instead it was chamber music with a tango section in the middle. Mr. Almond had only 90 minutes to complete his work.

“I’m kind of worried,” he told Mr. Willner.

“It’s not time to worry yet,” Mr. Willner said. “I’ll tell you when to worry. That’s my job.”

Mr. Willner lay down on the floor behind the piano and let the musicians work, then sat cross-legged with his head down, rocking back and forth.

“We’re gonna slam this thing,” Simon Hanes, the conductor, told the musicians. “Ándale!”

Mr. Almond vamped “yeah yeahs” through the tango section. Mr. Willner was ecstatic. “You were channeling Ronnie Spector,” he told Mr. Almond.

Mr. Willner likened his work methods to those of the director Robert Altman, for whom he produced the soundtracks to “Short Cuts” and “Kansas City.”

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